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Postaj by pismejker on ned ruj 08, 2019 12:08 am

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In recent years, many foreign media are trying to revise the results of world war II, distorting data on losses of the parties for the incurred damage. And this is not isolated cases, but clearly visible strategy.





German historians downplay the victory of the Soviet soldiers

To be a loser undervalued. And even after many decades after the crushing defeat of the loser, or rather their descendants, are trying to show that they fought well and could win if... then this "if" they do not apply, because there is nothing to say and no arguments are not allowed.

But you can stay for some episodes of the war, individual battles and try to prove the merits of the red Army exaggerated, losses are reduced, and in fact is not the red army beat the Nazis, and the Nazis beat the red army. How is it that in the end, not the Nazis occupied the Kremlin, and Soviet troops stormed the Reichstag, is not explained.

There was a whole series of books, usually owned by Peru of German authors, which substantially belittled the valor of the red Army, but there is a lot of room for argument about the heroism and professionalism of the Wehrmacht.

Christian Ganzer – a relatively young man, the historian, who devoted his doctoral thesis is a very interesting topic – the study of the Museum of Brest fortress in Belarus. He is one of the authors of the acclaimed book "Brest. Summer 1941, Documents. Materials. Photography." In some Belarusian mass media write that the book allegedly dispels the Soviet mythology, but in fact it is actually aimed at the revision history of the great Patriotic war – more precisely, its such a landmark episode, as the siege of the Brest fortress.




Supposedly, a German soldier during the storming of the Brest fortress died a lot less than those indicated by Soviet and Russian sources, and defenders of prisoners surrendered in large numbers. What Ganzer puts the emphasis on captured soldiers stationed in the fortress? His scientific research is viewed poorly concealed desire to degreessouth the defense of the fortress, to belittle the valor and courage of the Soviet soldiers. And this is not an isolated example of contemporary German historical literature.

Editor of the Department of history of the German newspaper Die Welt Sven Felix Kellerhoff proposed to demolish the monument at the site of the famous tank battle at Prokhorovka. According to the journalist, in fact about any large-scale battle of Prokhorovka was not the question – the confronted each other 672 186 Soviet and German tanks. A significant advantage was in the Soviet side. While the actions of the Soviet tankers Sven called tactics of the kamikaze.

If it was Sven Kellerhoff historian? Despite the lecture at the University, he is more a writer than a professional historian. And his journalism has a very noticeable bias towards "demythologized history", as they say now. Sven Kellerhoff made a theory to explain the defeat of Germany in world war I military and political factors. He also claimed that Hitler "forced" attacked the Soviet Union, the invasion of 22 June 1941 was supposedly a pre-emptive strike, because otherwise Germany would attack the Soviet troops.

So speaking of the battle of Prokhorovka, Svend Kellerhoff, citing unverified sources, is trying to revise history with the best of German positions. If German troops were acting with the greatest heroism, and the Soviet army if defeated, it is only because of its enormous numerical superiority.




Recall that is considered the largest in the history of the tank battle of Prokhorovka occurred on July 12, 1943. The commander of 5th guards tank army of the red army, Lieutenant-General Pavel Rotmistrov, a figure of about 700 destroyed tanks from both sides, but more prevalent point of view of Soviet historians about 350 padded German tanks. The Germans themselves called for far less the numbers – 100 tanks. But such fantasies of Sven Kellerhoff who writes about 5 destroyed tanks, before did not reach even the most "frozen" of German authors.

Naturally, the publication of Sven Kellerhoff caused legitimate indignation in Russia and other former Soviet republics and in Germany, where, fortunately, not all people share a similar revisionism in relation to the events of the Second world war. Although then there were attempts to justify that, they say, the author did not understand, publication Kellerhoff is not the first and certainly not the last on this topic perfectly reflects the General trend of devaluation of the Soviet victory in world war II.





As the German Wikipedia is changing the number of the dead

Wikipedia is a global reference to which, with certain reservations, treated tens of millions of people in the world. But the information in different versions of Wikipedia may differ. So, if we are talking about the events of the Second world war, it is necessary to compare the Russian and German Wikipedia. And the first thing we should note that different numbers of losses in Germany (and its satellites) and the Soviet Union.

Of course, to deny the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany was impossible, but now revisionists from Germany are doing everything possible to downplay the real extent of the courage of Soviet soldiers, the military talent of the Soviet marshals and generals and to show the victory almost by accident. How else to perceive the constant correction of the same numbers of casualties on both sides?

From June 22 to July 20, 1941 the Brest fortress was defended from the advancing Nazis. Not so long ago on Wikipedia, the casualties of the German troops was estimated to 1 197 dead, then a number only 429 of the victims. That is, the Germans a month stormed the castle, but died just four companies, roughly speaking? And whence such information? All from the same work of Ganzera which we mentioned above.

The German Wikipedia is inclined to belittle the loss of Germany in almost all the key battles of world war II on the Eastern front. So even becomes very clear why Germany the war the Soviet Union lost. For example, consider the battle of Stalingrad. The great battle of Stalingrad determined the entire future course of the war, was a turning point, and it is recognized by all – from the British and Americans to the Nazis. But what we see in Wikipedia?

In the Russian Wiki the loss of the Soviet Union estimated 1 129 619 people is irrevocable and sanitary loss. The loss of Germany and her allies – Italians, Hungarians, Romanians - are estimated at 1 million 500 people. Now go to the German Wiki and what we see – the total German losses are estimated at 300 thousand people, including 150 thousand people were killed in the fighting or died as a result of frostbite and disease. Interestingly, the German Wiki decided not to specify the amount of the loss Italian, Romanian, Hungarian armies, which is also the hundreds of thousands of people.

British Wikipedia, by the way, a little more honest – she estimates the losses of the Wehrmacht all 300 thousand people, but he writes about the loss of the Italians – 114 thousand people, Hungarians – 105 thousand people, Romanians – 109 thousand people. Losses of the red Army and the German and the English Wikipedia is named the same as in the Russian Wikipedia – 129 1 million – 1 million 130 thousand people.

For the sake of interest, please refer to Wikipedia for neutral languages. Here the Turkish Wikipedia – Turks makes no sense to exaggerate or understate the loss of Germany. And what do we see? Turkish Wikipedia calls the loss of the German army and its allies in 850 thousand people. This number is certainly less than the losses mentioned in the Russian Wikipedia, but any comparison is not with those of the German Wiki. Here the Portuguese Wikipedia – there we see a number from 300 to 647 868 374 killed, wounded, missing or captured soldiers and officers of armies of Germany and her allies.

This is really a strange situation. Why German Wikipedia intentionally to reduce the extent of the losses of the German army, but still do not provide information on the losses of the allied armies Berlin States? The only explanation here can be only all the same the desire to rewrite history.

Modern Germany is a shame for the stunning defeat at Stalingrad. But at the same time the Germans want to show that in battle, turn the tide, only they participated. This confirms the story of the significant numerical superiority of the red Army.

But together with the Germans at Stalingrad was 220 thousand Italian, 200 thousand Hungarian, Romanian, 143 thousand, 4 thousand Croatian soldiers and officers. In total, it comprises about 600 thousand people – more than 400-thousand force of the Wehrmacht. The fact that Germany's allies were less educated, had low discipline and had no special motivation, not eager to fight – the problem is not the red Army. In the battle of Stalingrad the allies of Nazi Germany participated, but were soundly defeated.




Thus, Germany is now trying to present the events of the Second world war and, in particular, the battle of Stalingrad in a favorable light for yourself using the following techniques:

1) Concealing the true size of storming Stalingrad enemy troops by bringing the data for the armed forces of Germany. Information about the number of troops allies of the Third Reich is not given.

2) reducing the number of casualties of the German army in order to demonstrate that the Red Army fought mediocre and serious damage to the Nazis is not applied.

3) Demonstration of numerical superiority of the red Army over the troops of the Third Reich to explain the main reasons for the defeat at Stalingrad – a pier, it is only in the number of Soviet troops, but not the courage of the soldiers and the art of warlords.

Tales about rapists

In addition to denigration of the military valour of Soviet soldiers and officers, in the modern Western media was widespread myths about the large number of war crimes against the civilian population, which made the Soviet soldiers in liberating their territories in Eastern and Central Europe.




The main myth – the Soviet military rape two million German women. The emphasis on rape is in order to amuse the feminist to present the "Russian" unrestrained savages and criminals. But really, who exactly was the sin of rape, so that men of the colonial troops of France, especially from the Moroccan units. It's about them went terrible glory, and the crimes they committed and in the South of France and Italy. Of course, the Soviet soldiers were no angels in the flesh, and among them were all sorts of people, there were those who could go on the looting of civilians, rape.

But these crimes did not have the scale, which are written by foreign authors. By the way, Karal, Soviet military tribunals for looting is very strict, criminals do not stand on ceremony, in contrast to the same Western "allies" who tried to cover the crimes of their soldiers against the civilian population. Yes and no representatives of Germany to talk about the crimes against civilians after what she had done in the Soviet Union, other Eastern European countries with the local population.

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Postaj by MortaL on ned ruj 08, 2019 8:23 am

eto.. sve značajnije zemlje sudionice ww2 hvataju se revizionizma, prate što drugi izjavljuju i pišu o tom događaju, zamjeraju svaku sitnicu koja nije po volji
što bi konkretno Njemačka imala od umanjivanja značaja pobjede crvene armije, ili umanjivanja vlastite štete
Njemci su se žalili i ukazivali, na neljudska ubojstva njihovih pripadnika vojske i vlasti, bez prava na obranu, bez uvažavanja
izvršeno je istrebljenje Njemaca nakon 45
postoje mnogi dokazi čije postojanje brane još uvijek
očito je cijelom svijetu potrebna revizija ww2
isto tako takvu reviziju nemoguće je istinski izvršiti jer su se židovi zaštitili zakonom o antisemitizmu što onemogućava slobodu govora čak i kad je istina u pitanju što je opet duboko u sukobu s ljudskim pravima

treba naglasiti kako su komunizam začeli židovi

nadam se da će istina konačno izaći na vidjelo i da će konačno kršćanski narodi Europe živjeti oslobođeni od krivnje i onih koji im štete

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Postaj by pismejker on ned ruj 08, 2019 10:31 am

Istina jest,neporeciva,da je Hitler gurao rat,da je gurao arijsku rasu naprid,da je krenuo u osvajanje drugih zemalja,da je pobijo oko 10 miljuna Rusa,pa se nije cuditi Pejbeku,jerbo koja prava imaju ubojice,koje krenu ubijati po svijetu da ostvare 1000 Reich..Mogli su kao danas,ponuditi bolje ekonomske uvjete svima,pa dojdite raditi kod nas..
Ne,trebalo je pregaziti nizu rasu,a u tu rasu spadas i ti Morty,jerbo je Hitler sve ispod Drave smatrao ..citiram.."balkanskim svinjama",kao i ostatak svapske nacije sto misli,i dan danas..
Nemoj se zavaravati da misle nesh bolje..tu i tamo ces im to otkriti u oku,kad iskrica frkne,a kraj usana nahere od gadjenja..No danas znaju da moraju biti kush,jer vise nisu sila koja nesto moze u vojnom smislu..Mislim,mogu,ali onim sitnim krpicama od drzavi po Europi..nekom jacem ne mogu nish

Ko krene u ubijanje ljudi,neisprovociran,nenapadnut,mora i sam ocekivati ubijanje u svojim redovima..cisto logika..

Japrvi kazem,tko bi usao u moje dvoriste da cini zlo,ne bi vise izasao..niti sa nogama naprijed..

Ja nikom necu u dvoriste uci i ciniti zlo,ni po koju cijenu..Ali brate,nece nitko to niti meni raditi..

svabi omalovazavaju postignuca Rusije,jerbo,su ionako ispali luzeri na kraju,sto je i bilo za ocvekivati,jer ne mosh protiv cijelog svijeta..ne moze cijeli svijet bas biti u krivu a svabi u pravu..
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Postaj by MortaL on ned ruj 08, 2019 10:38 am

Prije nego se krene s tumačenjem povijesti od koje si i počeo treba se vratiti nekih 50 godina unatrag detaljno
za sve ima objašnjenje
grteška je kretati od Švaba kao agresora koji su započeli
Komunisti su započeli a Židovi ih stvorili i bili većinski dio tog pokreta

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Postaj by pismejker on ned ruj 08, 2019 10:45 am

Bilo bi lijepo da sjednemo iu tajm mashinu,pa vidimo..KAKOGOD..ako pogledas okolne drzave,niti jedna se nije spremala za rat..cak je i britanija bila uhvacena sa skinutim gaćovima do koljena..
Europa se u biti tresla od straha,jos od 1935 godine,prateci ekonomsko i vojno jacanje Svabije...
Nokako rekoh..Niti jedna drzava nije krenula u napad,na svabiju,nego svabija na sve..kako rekoh 1000 godisnji Reich se poceo ostvarivati..dovoljno je samo pogledati nacisticke pammflete i motive,koji su bez srama i straha otvoreno se izjavljivali i pokazivali..

Morty,treba biti realan..Niti jedna drzava nije bila prijetnja jakoj Svabiji,s druge strane,gaćovi su se tresli uglavnom cijeloj Europi pred Svabijom..

Kakvi sad komjunisti?? Zidovi u svabiji su bili kičma ekonomije i produkcije,postoje cak i dan danas velike firme,koje su i tada postojale..nema butalnijih kapitalista...
Jesus je bio komjunist,sve poslije..zajebi.--.
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Postaj by MortaL on ned ruj 08, 2019 10:49 am

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Kakvi sad komjunisti?? Zidovi u svabiji su bili kičma ekonomije i produkcije,
postoje cak i dan danas velike firme,koje su i tada postojale..nema butalnijih kapitalista...
upravo to su im Švabe zamjerale jer su ih ogolili na njihovoj zemlji i preuzeli sve u svoje ruke
ne zato jer su pametniji nego proračunati osvajači i otimači

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Postaj by melkior on ned ruj 08, 2019 11:47 am

Kad smo već kod Nijemaca, koja je ono vojska prva ušla u Berlin? lol!


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Postaj by pismejker on ned ruj 08, 2019 3:39 pm

MortaL je napisao/la:[/b][/b]
pismejker je napisao/la:

Kakvi sad komjunisti?? Zidovi u svabiji su bili kičma ekonomije i produkcije,
postoje cak i dan danas velike firme,koje su i tada postojale..nema butalnijih kapitalista...
upravo to su im Švabe zamjerale jer su ih ogolili na njihovoj zemlji i preuzeli sve u svoje ruke
ne zato jer su pametniji nego proračunati osvajači i otimači

ĆItekako pametniji,skolovaniji,sposobniji u biznisu..

Osvajaci i otimaci,ne mogu opstati u poslozenom svapskom drustvu..nema toga ovdje..ovdje su daleko prije nego si ti rodjena,a i prije tvoje cukun cukun babe udareni temelji sticanja..svapske drzave su medjusobno ratovale,dok se nisu ujedinile,a odonda je samo rad,red i disciplina bila na djelu..

Otimaci i pljackasi su u biti na balkanu,koji u 5-20 godina "steknu",bogatstvo za koje svabima trebaju nekoliko generacija..
svabi su izvrsni u srednjem segmentu biznisa,kao inzenjeri vrsni i inovatori,no ipak nisu tehnoloski vrh..za to im trebaju Židovi,Pakistanci,Indijci.....

Reci mi zasto je jos 2000 godine,svabija godisnje pocela izdavati 20000 radnih vizi,Pakistancima,Indijcima..?Spomenuti su sam vrh IT-a u najsveobuhvatnijem smislu..Židovi pak od pamtivjeka su najbolji menadzeri,razvijatelji trzista,bankari i investitori..
I gdje je problem..Kod svabe koji kao inzenjer,karikiram moze zaraditi do 12000 ojrova,ili kod Židova,koji njegov produkt proda u milijunskom broju i samo bonus mjesecni mu je deset puta veci..

Mogao bih ti sad malo o ekonomiji i investicijskom bankarstvu ali necu,jer vidim da se uporno drzis Židova,kao nekog koga treba okriviti za sve,a ne vidis balvančinu u oku svom,ili svoje nacije,koja sama sebe pokrala do golih kostiju..TO Židovi nikad nece napraviti... Basketball
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Postaj by MortaL on ned ruj 08, 2019 10:30 pm

pismejker je napisao/la:
MortaL je napisao/la:[/b][/b]
pismejker je napisao/la:

Kakvi sad komjunisti?? Zidovi u svabiji su bili kičma ekonomije i produkcije,
postoje cak i dan danas velike firme,koje su i tada postojale..nema butalnijih kapitalista...
upravo to su im Švabe zamjerale jer su ih ogolili na njihovoj zemlji i preuzeli sve u svoje ruke
ne zato jer su pametniji nego proračunati osvajači i otimači

ĆItekako pametniji,skolovaniji,sposobniji u biznisu..

Osvajaci i otimaci,ne mogu opstati u poslozenom svapskom drustvu..nema toga ovdje..ovdje su daleko prije nego si ti rodjena,a i prije tvoje cukun cukun babe udareni temelji sticanja..svapske drzave su medjusobno ratovale,dok se nisu ujedinile,a odonda je samo rad,red i disciplina bila na djelu..

Otimaci i pljackasi su u biti na balkanu,koji u 5-20 godina "steknu",bogatstvo za koje svabima trebaju nekoliko generacija..
svabi su izvrsni u srednjem segmentu biznisa,kao inzenjeri vrsni i inovatori,no ipak nisu tehnoloski vrh..za to im trebaju Židovi,Pakistanci,Indijci.....

Reci mi zasto je jos 2000 godine,svabija godisnje pocela izdavati 20000 radnih vizi,Pakistancima,Indijcima..?Spomenuti su sam vrh IT-a u najsveobuhvatnijem smislu..Židovi pak od pamtivjeka su najbolji menadzeri,razvijatelji trzista,bankari i investitori..
I gdje je problem..Kod svabe koji kao inzenjer,karikiram moze zaraditi do 12000 ojrova,ili kod Židova,koji njegov produkt proda u milijunskom broju i samo bonus mjesecni mu je deset puta veci..

Mogao bih ti sad malo o ekonomiji i investicijskom bankarstvu ali necu,jer vidim da se uporno drzis Židova,kao nekog koga treba okriviti za sve,a ne vidis balvančinu u oku svom,ili svoje nacije,koja sama sebe pokrala do golih kostiju..TO Židovi nikad nece napraviti... Basketball
ma i ti si primjer kako ne date nikome pravo da su drugi dobri u nečemu i bolji nego samo sebe hvale

malo koji glumac Amerike da nema židovske krvi
tako je i drugdje
daleko od toga da su svi bolji

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Postaj by pismejker on pon ruj 09, 2019 9:41 am

MortaL je napisao/la:
pismejker je napisao/la:
MortaL je napisao/la:[/b][/b]
pismejker je napisao/la:

Kakvi sad komjunisti?? Zidovi u svabiji su bili kičma ekonomije i produkcije,
postoje cak i dan danas velike firme,koje su i tada postojale..nema butalnijih kapitalista...
upravo to su im Švabe zamjerale jer su ih ogolili na njihovoj zemlji i preuzeli sve u svoje ruke
ne zato jer su pametniji nego proračunati osvajači i otimači

ĆItekako pametniji,skolovaniji,sposobniji u biznisu..

Osvajaci i otimaci,ne mogu opstati u poslozenom svapskom drustvu..nema toga ovdje..ovdje su daleko prije nego si ti rodjena,a i prije tvoje cukun cukun babe udareni temelji sticanja..svapske drzave su medjusobno ratovale,dok se nisu ujedinile,a odonda je samo rad,red i disciplina bila na djelu..

Otimaci i pljackasi su u biti na balkanu,koji u 5-20 godina "steknu",bogatstvo za koje svabima trebaju nekoliko generacija..
svabi su izvrsni u srednjem segmentu biznisa,kao inzenjeri vrsni i inovatori,no ipak nisu tehnoloski vrh..za to im trebaju Židovi,Pakistanci,Indijci.....

Reci mi zasto je jos 2000 godine,svabija godisnje pocela izdavati 20000 radnih vizi,Pakistancima,Indijcima..?Spomenuti su sam vrh IT-a u najsveobuhvatnijem smislu..Židovi pak od pamtivjeka su najbolji menadzeri,razvijatelji trzista,bankari i investitori..
I gdje je problem..Kod svabe koji kao inzenjer,karikiram moze zaraditi do 12000 ojrova,ili kod Židova,koji njegov produkt proda u milijunskom broju i samo bonus mjesecni mu je deset puta veci..

Mogao bih ti sad malo o ekonomiji i investicijskom bankarstvu ali necu,jer vidim da se uporno drzis Židova,kao nekog koga treba okriviti za sve,a ne vidis balvančinu u oku svom,ili svoje nacije,koja sama sebe pokrala do golih kostiju..TO Židovi nikad nece napraviti... Basketball
ma i ti si primjer kako ne date nikome pravo da su drugi dobri u nečemu i bolji nego samo sebe hvale

malo koji glumac Amerike da nema židovske krvi
tako je i drugdje
daleko od toga da su svi bolji

jbtg Morty,ja samo nabrajajam cinjenice,koje su proizvod logike..

eto jos jedan primjer,odnosno 2..

FBI nije mogao ,dakle,elitna jemericka "postrojba" razbiti neki kod u nekim mejklovima,pa su to poslali MOSSAD-u,israelci odradili dok pucnes prstima...

drugo..

Jemeri zapeli na prvoj generaciji INTEL multicore(dual core) procesora,a divižn Intelov u Israelu,poceo sthantzati nemilo multicore,koje i dan danas projektira,mislim da je aktualno ono sa 24 jezgre...
toliko o ucenosti,pameti,inteligenciji,kreativnosti.... lol! lol! lol!

Odustani Morty,jer ja samo cinjenice provjerljive navodim..ti se povodis osobnim osjecajima i naklonoscu..to ne drzi vodu u ovakvim raspravama.. clown
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